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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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Richard good good morning Stefan you had

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to pause for a moment attitude to work

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out whether it was actually morning or

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evening what what's the what's going on

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I have to say that you and I have just

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been to a wonderful rotary dinner down

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here at an hour on the south coast of

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New South Wales where you were the

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entertainment doing the old piano and i

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was the guest speaker you were the

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entertainment doing the guest speaking i

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was i was in the program is the

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entertainer and it was a wonderful night

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I had a great time and and we're here

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back at the hotel just having a nice

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glass of wine tour to unwind well

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actually they gave you a bottle of wine

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as a little thank you and they also gave

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me a certificate which is the

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representation of a tree they planted in

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my honor is that wonderful are to the

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Train Your Honor so in 200 years time

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when they invent the the life extension

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pill you will be able to watch your tree

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growing it was very sweet of marie and i

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must thank rotary for having me speak

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tonight at the big conference here and

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thanks Stefan for helping to arrange it

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I was awesome but it's Richard it's it's

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ten to one it's it's the middle of the

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night folks we're having a bit of an

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unwind my voice is shot because I do I

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was speaking to people afterwards in a

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very loud room because you were playing

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music yeah it was a big night was a big

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for all these skeptics listening to the

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skeptic zone Stefan and Richard the

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hosts of the skeptic zone were heavily

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involved in the rotary district nine 680

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conference but Richard gave a very good

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talk that finished with a very big

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rotary theme thing about vaccinations

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and polio and everything like that and

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it went very well I died thank you i

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think it did go well because I'm I I

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spoke about general skepticism talking

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to the dead i bent a spoon which was

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very funny and all the rest of it and

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then I ended the talk with five minutes

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about the anti-vaccination crowd and I

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think a lot of people in the room were

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quite shocked Richard not only that I

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think you have created a new network of

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skepticism and in the rotary network and

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I think you've made a few friends

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tonight it might be the case for but

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let's think about this week's shows

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this week sure how can we think about

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this week it's ten to one in the bloody

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morning we're going to get up at seven

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o'clock for breakfast what's going on

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now somebody's going on this week well

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this week it's my report on the mighty

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meta muster water divining test but the

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third one and the last one was 11 years

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ago and I was on the spot I was helping

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out I interviewed diviners i interviewed

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skeptics and you had a DVD about it 11

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years ago I did isn't it amazing and i

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won't i won't give away the results just

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yet but i guess listeners can guess what

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they are most most of our listeners are

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quite skeptical so I think they would

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know that it would be a standard bell

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curve oh you've given it away but all

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that's coming up in the show and also we

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have another installment of the weakened

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science with dr. Paul Willis Oh dr. Paul

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Willis what is he it but is he on the

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team now well in a way he um he runs the

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Royal Institution in Adelaide which is a

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science outreach an institution

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fantastic and they do a week in science

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every week and we've had a little bit of

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a deal where he supplies me the audio

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and we play it doesn't he have like some

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sort of contract with the ABC or

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something oh no he used to be an ABC

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presenter but he left the ABC contract

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oh yes Oh so we've got him we've got it

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yet all right and as we drove down here

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we were discussing solar flare oh it's

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almost here it's almost here it's

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copying it all it needs is a theme song

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mate what are you doing I'm working on

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it should we get on with the show I

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think look past me that glass and we got

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a little couple of drops lingers this

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Roger that blaster glass this is our

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wine down glass after a big night this

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was a free bottle of wine from rotary

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can you believe that Thank You rotary a

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community service organization just gave

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Richard a free bottle of wine I'm not

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complaining thank you Stefan cheers and

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let's get on with the show and goodnight

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the mighty mitr muster a traditional

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Australian country fair of cattle and

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equestrian events wood chopping carnival

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events too what sets it apart from other

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admitted meter on friday the 8th of

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march with a couple of skeptics brought

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day on the road it was nice to sit back

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with our hosts Laurie and Eden Smith we

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were joined by other skeptics as we SAT

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around the dinner table and chattered

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around with angry Tarkovsky for our

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listeners who use that film director

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thank you indeed 25 it's my hero okies

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oceanogr a living paladar it's none

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other than skeptical Steve Robert Ellen

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see I'm a fan of Andrei Tarkovsky hello

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this is this is Steve I've caught up

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with you last year and after your huge

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adventure right across Russia don't be

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released now thank you so i'm i'm here

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in wonderful wonderful beautiful

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millimeter at the the home of lori

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needin smith were enjoying a lovely

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dinner this weekend steve my team in a

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master the mighty mither must awarded a

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binding test indeed yes it is the third

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time we've done it we did it a couple of

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times in the 2000s yes and it was a

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great great hope to do it we get two

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samples of water and sand in plastic

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bottles that are covered so you can't

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see what's in them no the dowsers or

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diviners would have you call them turn

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up with their bent wires or fork sticks

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or sand at each sample now you were

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present at the 2001 testing yes I was

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here and I was president of 2002 testers

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I don't see you around you see me around

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there we were different tests we were

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indeed but um I've start of the video

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intently and done the protocol for this

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test and what you have to realize is

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that everything that can go wrong will

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dog that pisses on one of the samples on

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so you can see through the bag and the

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child that treads on a sample of breaks

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hidden water or sand with it to be fair

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the year you did it it was more or less

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in the open than the year I did at the

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following year we had the tennis court

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impossible to manage they crowd around

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get peace and quiet and they got in the

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way of everything I mean we define a

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proper area where they could stand on

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view so now we arranged to do it on the

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tennis court which is fenced off and and

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best we can do and that's what we did 11

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to give them a fair chance of a fair

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test without the crowd of the fairy

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without skeptics breathing down their

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necks if they don't want it and okay

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listen as that was a cricket map that's

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forget just give gone away now just

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multitude of insects here we're right in

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beautiful millimeter and enjoying a

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glass of wine with me of course is

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Laurie Smith hello Laurie hello Richard

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Cheers yes oh this is very Oh hmm listen

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as I wish you were here and that isn't

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enough wine for that Laurie looking

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forward to the weekend very much Richard

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we put in a lot of work but it's all

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coming to a culmination now and just

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can't wait for it to start now I had

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such a wonderful time 11 years ago when

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I was here for the last test and enjoyed

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your wonderful hospitality were you

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present the one before that do you

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before I yes yes I haven't missed a

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meadow divining challenge yet Bridget

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all three of them and of course this

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with us from Sydney we have josh hi Josh

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i Richard looking you see your first

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you would have only been a little kid

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for the last time around oh not that

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yeah 16 or so hey a little kid Martin

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Hadley hello man hi person love well

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said I'm sitting under a wind chime as

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you are at what have you been I can't

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remember I don't think you've been

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involved in a water divining test you

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another one looking forward to it but

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somebody who is an old hand at many

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things of course sitting on the other

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beautiful open here you can hear the

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crickets it's with a mouthful of steak

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previous water divining test 22nd 1989

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over 20 years ago that was in Sydney

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yeah and Dick Smith was there briefly

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Dick Smith arrived in his helicopter but

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you were really a dick smith produced a

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gold nugget a gold ingot which was one

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of the things that diviners were going

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to find and I was holding it for a while

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and I looked around at the building but

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and looked at his helicopter and I

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thought I could skedaddle with this

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doggie gotta be set up for life you

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don't know how to fly a helicopter well

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with a water divining test well it

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wasn't it was water wasn't though hiding

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watering large bottles in holes in the

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they could find a bottle with the bottle

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their rods would hesitate oh and start

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turning their attention to another hole

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say the route was very revealing about

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how water divining works I think I think

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you're absolutely right so and I'm glad

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you're here to be on deck with us to aid

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our water divining activities Lori just

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coming back to you that and Steve of

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course what many people don't know is

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you can't just say we're going to have a

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water divining test turn up and say

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we'll have a go there is a lot of

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preparation and planning well I've been

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surprised by the mathematics which

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douche been involved in making toys or

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maize yeah well the mass is actually

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fairly easy when the samples are either

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water or sand so it's basically 5050

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when you get it right or not so if you

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do 20 tests it'll be a one chance in a

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million roughly to get all 20 right or

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and you can spec 10 out of 20 at random

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just sorta gets 12 out of 20 is that

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significant or would you expect that if

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you have you know 20 dividers trying it

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and the mass is actually fairly well

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defined for this but the thing is that

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this has to be explained to the diviners

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because they'll get some and say see it

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works on those ones even if they get

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8 out of 20 they'll say yes but it

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worked on those 10 spot though several

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it worked on those eight which is a

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hundred percent yeah I don't want the

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money so and of course our money is

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actually at risk is not miss on the day

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we've been very careful to say that what

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if somebody scores 18 out of 20 which is

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on giving they have several chances to

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try it that's um about a thousand to one

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we will we guarantee to invite them back

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for a second test without the crowd or

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another day with similar odds if they

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can do it again then we will award the

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prize of hundred thousand dollars plus

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ten grands phone in by yeah one of the

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locals here but our money is actually

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not at risk on the day what's at risk is

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the invitation to do a second test but

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you you really can't risk a hundred

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grand this this is the standard thing I

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mean the James Randi Educational

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Foundation have the same protocol there

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are two tests the one is to sort out do

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you actually have this ability you know

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let's have a good test but not such a

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strict test because the ultimate aim is

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we only want to test people for the

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money who can actually pass and get the

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money that really that's what we want to

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do if somebody can really do it we want

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to know and reward them very much so and

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my dad also since we incorporated in the

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last test the two undisguised

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calibration samples of water and sand

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which the diviners were invited to run

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their instruments over before the test

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there wasn't a diviner that failed to

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have a good response on the calibration

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samples but of course when it went on

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the ones with the paper bag on them the

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ability seemed to disappear yes that's

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very interesting now some years ago of

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course I made a when i was here in 2002

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i filmed the whole thing made a

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documentary about it that's on youtube

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so if listeners want to see the

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documentary from all those years ago

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just google my team it a muster water

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divining you'll easily find it and it's

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it's amazing to think after all these

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years where it sits back for well it's

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really round three isn't it of the local

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water divining tests with a big gap best

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well i'm looking forward to the whole

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weekend it's going to be an awful lot of

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fun i'm going to get some great

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interviews and insights running around

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the tennis court and talking to diviners

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and skeptics and media

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on the day and it's just wonderful to be

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here and enjoy the good company of some

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good friends and cheers everybody cheers

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so what a defining and if this is a

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divine invitation after a wonderful

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sleep we got up the next day on Saturday

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and went over the test setting up little

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protocols and examining the bottles were

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going to use making sure things would be

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okay on the day I think we spend the

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rest of they just chatting and having a

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good time come Saturday night we went to

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the house of Russell and Robin Kelly

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they put on for all their friends a

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look

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water

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now in the queue here to get his lovely

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piece of beef and mixed vegetables and

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potatoes and pumpkins and all sorts of

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things that Steve Roberts Steve we went

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out to the the testing field today to

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case the joint we did indeed yes sir it

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was a tennis court at MIT emitter it's a

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bare concrete ceiling in the afternoon

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Sun it's hot isn't it the glare was so

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bad I couldn't look you know yeah at it

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so I gotta test this blind as a

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double-blind testing yeah and we got to

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be worked out where to put things and

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having going to do it tomorrow and we've

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already prepared how to do the samples

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this morning and we did a bit of a V

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hustle and get it totally organized

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because I'm tomorrow we'll be doing it

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all under the glare of the public

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untenable air of the Sun and the glee

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and the Sun and television cameras here

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and if if we have an argument it'll make

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great television so we're going to be

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careful to get all this done beforehand

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I think it's a good point to make that

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people don't realize how much work goes

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into organizing as a test of water

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diviners or any psychic test it's going

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to be fair for the dividers they're

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going to be a reasonable test that they

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can understand and that they see is fair

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to them and have a defined a different

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result definitely reach to the skeptics

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we have to part with our money you know

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in fairness to them there's got to be a

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real risk of that because of that

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there's others their payload in this

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pile is is that we can make a graph of

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results and show the random distribution

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if that's how it turns out if that's how

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it turns out oh well i think i will

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delay you no more excellent yeah the BBQ

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is ready and i'm very picky sh normal

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way normal way yeah thank you as I live

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and breathe who should we bump into in

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the BBQ in here at millimeter it's

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ratbag himself good evening rich good

422
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evening now you've come down here to

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take part in the water divining test two

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I certainly had look I'm really

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interested in water boiling I live on

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the top of a mountain and we're very

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short of water there I busy because all

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runs downhill and disappears ah and so

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we actually would like something to come

430
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up there and find water for us although

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last Saturday when it rained 140

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millimeters I don't think we need a

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divider and what have gone nuts

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I know you must remind me have you taken

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part in one of these water divining test

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before not heaven nah first-timer it's

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the first time at yes I mean I I

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remember seeing them I remember seeing

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the very first one the one that was no

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in all the rides Australian skeptics

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yeah I nineteen eighty years why back

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then you know if I was I think I don't

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even know what am i spending

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kindergarten um I'm not quite sure I

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Dibble actually remember seeing that and

446
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and obviously I remember the rain be one

447
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on the television later in the piece the

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one with Richard Cartman that so I've

449
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been watching it for years but never

450
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actually been to one you're in for quite

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an interesting experience where you

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start to meet the diviners and see them

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walking around some will get will fly

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through some will take an hour it's

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quite interesting one of the things I

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have seen my obviously just observing me

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outside diviners while we consider maybe

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that they're deluded they all seem to be

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really actually honest people they think

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they've actually got some I agree I've

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never actually met or heard of a diviner

462
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there's actually a crook unlike a lot of

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other people who do we were type stuff

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when I taste I know they know they're

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just why I think I think some know that

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they're out there on the take really I

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look I do that one of these with a lot

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of divine is particularly ones that work

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out in the bush it's they know if

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they've done it for years they recognize

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signs like different colors of the grass

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and so forth they might better put the

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thing right there's a form of expertise

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but of course if you do it anywhere in

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Sydney you dig deep enough Sydney sits

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on this huge block of sandstone next to

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the ocean it's full of water yeah you

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dig anywhere in Sydney dig deep enough

479
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you get a well that makes water if you

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do it out here in the bush generally

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these people are using observational

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skills that they may not know they have

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possibly so in the same way that some

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people can convince themselves that

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they're psychics even though they're

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doing a homework cold reading they may

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not know they're doing it just because

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they know the sort of questions to ask

489
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they know the sort of response as they

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get from people and they follow those

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responses along so I mean I don't I'm

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not saying that

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I think the diviners I create a

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proportional design with the Viners I

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look real and actually believe they can

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do it then the psychics do I think

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you're absolutely right and i think

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tomorrow when you meet some of them

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you'll really get that impression if

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they're anything like they were 11 years

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ago that the money of course that I know

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they will all do is about all agree in

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advance to all the conditions and at the

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end of the day I say is that I say I

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look but this was wrong it is wrong

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wrong there I'm actually glad it's not

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raining because as I said last week it

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was raining it would confuse them

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enormously collective 5.26 around

510
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there's water everywhere I think the

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band is striking up in the background

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over there and I think the dancing will

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start soon so Peter thank you very much

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thank you now it's done height from

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Victoria done is this your first water

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divining toaster it is indeed Richard

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and I'm really looking forward to right

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I have seen the video we think of as a

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2004 that the three thousand to two

520
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thousand and two so it so I've been

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prepping for this event by watching them

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the video and of course I was inspired

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by Tam last year of course we had I

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think his name was Matt and he was

525
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testing on stage with banner chicken

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song and I think you're up there ty was

527
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up there two years yes and he was

528
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testing a variation on the power

529
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wristband I think there was some sort of

530
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special chip or something like that in

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there and it look it was absolutely

532
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riveting up to about the 10th minute

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when it it was quite clear that he was

534
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not gonna pass I think you'll find

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tomorrow interesting because it can be a

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long day and when the water diviner

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start going but I think what you'll find

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is interesting is all the different

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00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:13,169
techniques they have some will have

540
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:15,090
wires some will have sticks some will do

541
00:21:18,919 --> 00:21:16,320
all sorts of things we can't even

542
00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:18,929
imagine yes indeed i'm really looking

543
00:21:21,950 --> 00:21:20,220
forward to though I mean we're going to

544
00:21:23,779 --> 00:21:21,960
have to do some serious slip slop

545
00:21:26,719 --> 00:21:23,789
slapping because we know it's going to

546
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,729
be about 35 degrees tomorrow but I was

547
00:21:30,769 --> 00:21:28,559
listening to what Peter had to say

548
00:21:32,659 --> 00:21:30,779
before and what I'm really looking

549
00:21:34,609 --> 00:21:32,669
forward to is the excuses at the end of

550
00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:34,619
the day because these guys come up with

551
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:37,080
the most amazing excuses as to why it

552
00:21:41,130 --> 00:21:39,450
didn't work but the scooters are always

553
00:21:43,890 --> 00:21:41,140
in retrospect

554
00:21:45,330 --> 00:21:43,900
you know i'm i'm not being psychic here

555
00:21:47,910 --> 00:21:45,340
by predicting that they're going to be

556
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:47,920
excuses I'm a skeptic after all but I

557
00:21:52,050 --> 00:21:49,810
suspect they're going to be if his

558
00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:52,060
excuses say you know I suspect you're

559
00:21:55,650 --> 00:21:54,370
quite right I done big day ahead

560
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,660
tomorrow I look forward to seeing you

561
00:22:00,000 --> 00:21:58,000
out there on the on the testing field

562
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:00,010
looking forward to it Richard should be

563
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:12,600
autocar after another fine night's sleep

564
00:22:20,020 --> 00:22:16,850
we've got up early and breakfast drove

565
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:20,030
down to the field the field the testing

566
00:22:25,570 --> 00:22:22,850
field the old mitten meter tennis court

567
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:25,580
which has been converted into a netball

568
00:22:30,370 --> 00:22:28,610
core nevertheless there it was and a

569
00:22:34,409 --> 00:22:30,380
group of us arrived early to start

570
00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:37,360
it's quarter past eight here on the date

571
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:39,049
the big day the test right bag here we

572
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,610
are ready to go with set up one of the

573
00:22:45,159 --> 00:22:42,080
tents we've got somebody sweeping the

574
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:45,169
the field of where the testing is going

575
00:22:49,299 --> 00:22:46,690
to be and the other skeptics are busily

576
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:49,309
getting themselves together it's going

577
00:22:53,230 --> 00:22:51,049
to be a fun day I think it's gonna be an

578
00:22:55,150 --> 00:22:53,240
excellent day the weather is fine yeah a

579
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:55,160
bit of cloud cover we did beg of it yes

580
00:22:58,150 --> 00:22:56,570
that would just mean the sunburnt worse

581
00:23:00,370 --> 00:22:58,160
but that's right and we won't nose a

582
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:00,380
little tomorrow but I think it's the

583
00:23:03,730 --> 00:23:02,210
perfect weather yeah it could have been

584
00:23:04,930 --> 00:23:03,740
raining which of course would be Vince

585
00:23:06,370 --> 00:23:04,940
distraction for all the dowsers cuz

586
00:23:09,310 --> 00:23:06,380
they're simply say the early well that

587
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:09,320
would be disappointing when it's a beast

588
00:23:13,090 --> 00:23:11,090
it's very easy to find rain when it won

589
00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:13,100
water when it's raining I'm looking

590
00:23:17,409 --> 00:23:16,130
forward to it because I think that yeah

591
00:23:19,030 --> 00:23:17,419
aight i haven't moved one of those

592
00:23:22,210 --> 00:23:19,040
before oh it seems yes but i've been

593
00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:22,220
following dowsing for forever and so

594
00:23:24,909 --> 00:23:23,510
I've interest to actually see how we do

595
00:23:28,539 --> 00:23:24,919
it how we run the experiment here we

596
00:23:29,620 --> 00:23:28,549
yeah and then what we find me too and

597
00:23:31,419 --> 00:23:29,630
the other skeptics are over there

598
00:23:33,490 --> 00:23:31,429
setting up yet another tent which is

599
00:23:35,770 --> 00:23:33,500
really good it's a quite a wonderful

600
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:35,780
scene here that it's because it's the

601
00:23:39,580 --> 00:23:37,850
sun's not out yet I mean it's still hard

602
00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:39,590
week on cars it's very pleasant but

603
00:23:43,419 --> 00:23:41,929
we've got a giant shark inflatable shark

604
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:43,429
the horses are getting ready in that

605
00:23:49,299 --> 00:23:46,640
corner over there we've got equestrian

606
00:23:51,010 --> 00:23:49,309
events being set up over there it looks

607
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:51,020
like a really a good dive it's not just

608
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:53,090
this it's it's a home it's a whole

609
00:23:56,380 --> 00:23:55,010
country fair is unhappy here and even

610
00:23:57,940 --> 00:23:56,390
over there we've got the old steam

611
00:23:59,860 --> 00:23:57,950
engines and I know you and Bryce our

612
00:24:01,330 --> 00:23:59,870
engineer will be very excited to go and

613
00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:01,340
see like oh I like those sort of things

614
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,740
so they have those email yes at the

615
00:24:07,930 --> 00:24:06,080
Greenville fair but as you've got AG

616
00:24:09,820 --> 00:24:07,940
local group be that come in with all of

617
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:09,830
these ancient steam engines and or sleep

618
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:10,970
farm machinery rather than saline

619
00:24:15,340 --> 00:24:13,520
engines yeah and it's wonderful stuff

620
00:24:17,140 --> 00:24:15,350
I'm fascinated by the big shark slide

621
00:24:19,150 --> 00:24:17,150
right over these sharks I've never seen

622
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:19,160
such a big inflatable shark in mind no

623
00:24:22,150 --> 00:24:20,809
I'm just as a point of it now they won't

624
00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:22,160
let me the jumping castle for the too

625
00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:24,740
tall I just hope that I'm not too tall

626
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:26,390
to go on the sliding on the Sharks lied

627
00:24:33,850 --> 00:24:31,850
because I make my day well as we thought

628
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:33,860
Ian Bryce there are a couple of diviners

629
00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:35,570
showed up very early and having a chat

630
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:37,190
to us and they were telling you some of

631
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:40,490
their concerns yes indeed when problem

632
00:24:44,620 --> 00:24:41,690
is that there are two different types of

633
00:24:46,930 --> 00:24:44,630
sand apparently there's river sand which

634
00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:46,940
has got minerals in it which metal rods

635
00:24:50,890 --> 00:24:47,720
risk

636
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:50,900
and there's fricke sand which is washed

637
00:24:57,399 --> 00:24:55,610
free of all minerals and only wooden

638
00:24:58,840 --> 00:24:57,409
rods respond to that so there's two

639
00:25:00,430 --> 00:24:58,850
different thing that's good to know so

640
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:00,440
that's the other sub and what was the

641
00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:01,760
other concern something to do with the

642
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,280
metal poles thought if you've heard of

643
00:25:10,510 --> 00:25:06,320
spontaneous human combustion I'm sure I

644
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:10,520
have well that's if you calculate you'll

645
00:25:13,299 --> 00:25:11,840
find out the third of the body burns

646
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:13,309
away and that because the third of the

647
00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:16,159
body consists of static electricity that

648
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,140
interferes with divine is this what one

649
00:25:23,289 --> 00:25:21,200
of them just told he is she okay well

650
00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:23,299
you know I cut this is better than I

651
00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:24,830
could imagine because it's normally at

652
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:26,030
the end of the day we hear all these

653
00:25:31,149 --> 00:25:29,210
wonderful new theories and excuses but

654
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:31,159
this coming thick and fast already the

655
00:25:34,899 --> 00:25:33,049
problem is here that we're in a tennis

656
00:25:36,250 --> 00:25:34,909
court of the metal fence yeah and if

657
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:36,260
some of those poles go down too far

658
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:38,450
enough to enter to connect with the

659
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:41,450
electrical earth of the planet the metal

660
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,370
interfere with the divining rods see

661
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,200
it's amazing divining works at all the

662
00:25:52,810 --> 00:25:47,120
innocent so many things can go wrong

663
00:25:55,980 --> 00:25:52,820
everything from joe rob one of the tasks

664
00:25:59,740 --> 00:25:55,990
on the day was to run down to the river

665
00:26:02,049 --> 00:25:59,750
with lots of two liter milk bottles

666
00:26:06,430 --> 00:26:02,059
plastic milk bottles and fill them up

667
00:26:13,450 --> 00:26:08,830
come with Steve Roberts and his little

668
00:26:16,749 --> 00:26:13,460
green wagon and put walking down from

669
00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:16,759
the tennis court the netball court quite

670
00:26:21,549 --> 00:26:19,070
a distance actually down to the river so

671
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:21,559
we need to use fresh river water Steve

672
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:23,450
yes from the foaming waters of the

673
00:26:27,509 --> 00:26:25,490
middle river which is here somewhere

674
00:26:29,980 --> 00:26:27,519
because we can find it it's a river

675
00:26:32,379 --> 00:26:29,990
walking down a path their campus here

676
00:26:35,289 --> 00:26:32,389
look these people camping here for the

677
00:26:37,539 --> 00:26:35,299
show but it can be near the river yeah

678
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:37,549
this might be a way down here there's

679
00:26:41,740 --> 00:26:39,049
the river look at that the flowing

680
00:26:47,619 --> 00:26:41,750
waters are foaming your course foamy of

681
00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:50,060
upon our return from the river and once

682
00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:52,169
we set the bottles out on the court to

683
00:26:56,869 --> 00:26:54,990
to inspect them we noticed that there

684
00:26:58,639 --> 00:26:56,879
was a lot of condensation on the outside

685
00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:58,649
of the bottles this could be a problem

686
00:27:03,769 --> 00:27:00,360
as the bottles were going to be wrapped

687
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:03,779
up in cloth bags luckily the bottles

688
00:27:09,289 --> 00:27:06,210
didn't stay wet for long and dried out

689
00:27:11,060 --> 00:27:09,299
very nicely in the Sun before long it

690
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:11,070
was time for Steve Roberts to begin the

691
00:27:21,490 --> 00:27:17,500
and they're the same as the other

692
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,500
samples and we asked you divine these

693
00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:23,840
for successfully and there's a space on

694
00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:26,030
the sheet for doing that to make sure

695
00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:27,830
your odds and techniques are working

696
00:27:31,540 --> 00:27:30,440
then you divine the other samples one of

697
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:31,550
us will follow you around with a

698
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,410
clipboard and try not get in the way so

699
00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:35,360
if you want them to step back a meter or

700
00:27:38,830 --> 00:27:37,670
so that's fine or be off the court all

701
00:27:40,780 --> 00:27:38,840
together or whatever but let me lots of

702
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:40,790
people in the court and as you go around

703
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:43,310
you say if its water or sand was good of

704
00:27:47,170 --> 00:27:44,510
a technique you got up and we run it

705
00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:47,180
down on the on the form here we keep a

706
00:27:51,790 --> 00:27:49,310
copy there it's you get to keep so you

707
00:27:53,170 --> 00:27:51,800
have to record it for yourself and none

708
00:27:56,860 --> 00:27:53,180
of us know whether these samples of

709
00:27:58,360 --> 00:27:56,870
water or sand at all i know about for

710
00:28:02,620 --> 00:27:58,370
them and he does about for them that's

711
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,630
about it and after you've all been round

712
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:04,640
to your satisfaction will close the toil

713
00:28:09,460 --> 00:28:06,650
for will close that trial and be about

714
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,470
an hour and then we reveal what's in all

715
00:28:12,910 --> 00:28:11,600
the samples we can go around again

716
00:28:14,650 --> 00:28:12,920
fairly quickly then we get them all back

717
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,660
in again randomized again put them on

718
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:16,640
out again and do the whole test again

719
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:18,710
can we do that many times doing the days

720
00:28:26,030 --> 00:28:22,240
that probably about once an hour okay

721
00:28:32,540 --> 00:28:29,810
so off the diviners went eager to see if

722
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:32,550
they could be the first to pass our

723
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:35,310
divining test it's getting very warm out

724
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:36,690
there on the lieutenant scored the

725
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:38,400
netball court but the diviners went out

726
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:42,090
accompanied by a scorekeeper one by one

727
00:28:49,940 --> 00:28:45,960
they went around the 20 bottles of water

728
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:49,950
or sand some had water some head sand it

729
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:52,050
will randomize sir nobody knew what was

730
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:53,970
what I caught up with one of the

731
00:28:59,000 --> 00:28:55,740
diviners after they'd finished their

732
00:29:01,280 --> 00:28:59,010
test we just had one of the Viner

733
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,290
finished and what do you think of the

734
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:02,640
conditions today you're happy yeah

735
00:29:06,530 --> 00:29:04,710
excellent and I saw you going out there

736
00:29:09,340 --> 00:29:06,540
look like you were getting some positive

737
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:09,350
feedback so you think you did ok yep yep

738
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:11,970
if you ever taken partner divining test

739
00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:14,970
before no no no first on first time yep

740
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:17,310
all the best to you yep best part of an

741
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:19,500
hour into the test of the court is full

742
00:29:22,940 --> 00:29:21,450
of diviners and helpers and skeptics how

743
00:29:24,620 --> 00:29:22,950
do you think it's going to a wonderful

744
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:24,630
so we're about half an hour mean there's

745
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:27,000
65 diviners on the courts spread evenly

746
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,700
of all the samples we've gotta help out

747
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:31,200
with each one's a film for that open

748
00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:32,970
email very smooth it's going very smooth

749
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:34,440
very smoothly you put a lot of Simon's

750
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:36,410
preparing this organizing it and

751
00:29:40,460 --> 00:29:38,610
catering for possible excuses to some

752
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:40,470
extent look I'm looker though chum but

753
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:42,450
yeah we've done what we can and you

754
00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:44,010
finish the diviners it so it's a good

755
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:46,830
fair test they get a fair go and we'll

756
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:52,610
one of the interesting things for me

757
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:54,570
watching this and taking part as a

758
00:29:58,910 --> 00:29:56,490
scrutineer and various other activities

759
00:30:01,630 --> 00:29:58,920
was to see the different methods water

760
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:01,640
diviners used in order to detect water

761
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:04,650
when he used the traditional wire pole

762
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:07,620
bent wire rod some you stick some use

763
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:10,410
many sticks one guy used a cricket ball

764
00:30:15,260 --> 00:30:12,710
on the end of a long bit of string

765
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:15,270
rocking back and forth another man used

766
00:30:20,780 --> 00:30:18,720
a six-sided dice on the end of a string

767
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:20,790
I think was made out of the dust has

768
00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:22,290
made out of brass or something like that

769
00:30:32,919 --> 00:30:26,460
as a pendulum all sorts of things going

770
00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:32,929
on while I'm on the court now it's about

771
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:36,750
three left in this round three two water

772
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,330
diviners left I just don't want to

773
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:41,760
disturb their concentration so each

774
00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:43,860
diviner is walking around putting their

775
00:30:48,890 --> 00:30:47,220
divining rods over the bottle of water

776
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:48,900
which is covered with a bag so we don't

777
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:51,210
know whether the water has sand or we

778
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:53,250
don't know if the bag the box the bottle

779
00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:56,610
at sound of water and right now a

780
00:31:00,860 --> 00:30:58,200
diviner has got his divining rod over a

781
00:31:04,030 --> 00:31:00,870
bag and he's just concentrating and

782
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:04,040
he'll tell the scrutineer what it is

783
00:31:12,909 --> 00:31:08,460
sandy says and that was number 19 so

784
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:12,919
pretty soon this round will be over and

785
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:16,080
we will reveal the contents of all the

786
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,010
boxes and the bottles and see who scored

787
00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:22,559
what you think that there are it isn't

788
00:31:25,610 --> 00:31:24,600
so we have another another diviner has

789
00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:25,620
finished what did you think of the

790
00:31:29,419 --> 00:31:28,020
conditions out there today I love to bed

791
00:31:32,299 --> 00:31:29,429
is what there is actually wore for

792
00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:32,309
underneath those under the ground here

793
00:31:35,299 --> 00:31:33,960
because it's all riverbeds right Morse

794
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,309
oaks and riverbeds but i think we

795
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:37,679
donated for that when your device also

796
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,450
don't know what we had look at the court

797
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,580
before we started so i knew pretty well

798
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,679
where they were but things vibe back

799
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,080
away from the sample hmm and moved one

800
00:31:52,340 --> 00:31:49,200
side there's every likelihood i'll pick

801
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:52,350
there i'll pick the so called the string

802
00:31:55,850 --> 00:31:54,210
that's correct right cool aberration

803
00:31:57,770 --> 00:31:55,860
little generally speaking do you think

804
00:32:00,620 --> 00:31:57,780
you got a good reaction on the samples

805
00:32:02,419 --> 00:32:00,630
that were water yeah yeah but it's not

806
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:02,429
sort of the sort of thing we're looking

807
00:32:06,259 --> 00:32:03,450
for women do

808
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,269
buying a stagnant water yeah well did

809
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:08,399
you have any problems of the calibration

810
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,480
ones we 9y we'll just pick them up and

811
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,399
just rotate around it but the thing is

812
00:32:18,169 --> 00:32:16,080
it will do the same thing to minerals

813
00:32:21,019 --> 00:32:18,179
okay so that's why I'm actually using

814
00:32:22,879 --> 00:32:21,029
their that one as well you've got what's

815
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:22,889
this one here that looks very green a

816
00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:25,049
green fork stick that's what will I will

817
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:26,940
oh ok that's very does it won't break if

818
00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:28,500
you know the stick you've got over there

819
00:32:35,659 --> 00:32:33,750
oh I ones old ones yeah yeah I reckon I

820
00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:35,669
can break those yeah that one's this

821
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:37,500
one's really lexical yeah yeah willow is

822
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:39,690
very flexible gum tree will shatter yeah

823
00:32:44,750 --> 00:32:42,360
if you get a good to Eddie good string

824
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:44,760
the gum tree will pull around trying to

825
00:32:48,919 --> 00:32:47,100
cool itself around in a circle and in

826
00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:48,929
the process of a break because it's not

827
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:51,990
very good and attention Wow I'd like to

828
00:32:56,539 --> 00:32:54,210
see that that must be spectacular yeah

829
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:56,549
you can do it then I can tell you

830
00:33:00,289 --> 00:32:58,260
anything I tried a couple of hours but

831
00:33:01,879 --> 00:33:00,299
yet there are very brittle pieces yeah i

832
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:01,889
think the timber yeah it'll it'll

833
00:33:07,639 --> 00:33:04,529
shatter i think i think you're over 21 a

834
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:07,649
while ago just watch said someone oh

835
00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:10,260
well I can see it's in full swing so

836
00:33:14,539 --> 00:33:12,870
yeah thnkx isn't a girl it shouldn't

837
00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:14,549
take too much longer but a no then we

838
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:16,740
can have scatter Miranda gained have

839
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,570
another guy yeah all the best oh

840
00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:22,799
finally after a couple of hours the

841
00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:26,220
first round was over skeptics went on to

842
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:28,260
the tennis court and took out all the

843
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:31,019
bottles from their bags and laid them on

844
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:32,820
top of the tennis court so everybody

845
00:33:38,930 --> 00:33:35,850
could see which had water and which had

846
00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:38,940
sand after that all the water diviners

847
00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:40,230
hurried onto the course

848
00:33:45,289 --> 00:33:44,070
to check their scores so it's all over

849
00:33:47,419 --> 00:33:45,299
for the first round in any way and

850
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:47,429
you're going around now double checking

851
00:33:54,020 --> 00:33:49,890
since we've revealed where everything is

852
00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:54,030
how are you going so far about 5050 so

853
00:33:58,909 --> 00:33:57,720
I'm hoping to improve on the last bit so

854
00:34:00,380 --> 00:33:58,919
you've checked about half of them now

855
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:00,390
and yeah we're wandering around we can

856
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:02,490
clearly see water or soda water or sand

857
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,980
yes but I couldn't help but overhearing

858
00:34:09,230 --> 00:34:06,240
you just want to beat your husband is

859
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,240
that right that's exactly we're a bit

860
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,280
competitive firstly yeah well you never

861
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:14,159
know you might yeah I'd like to Google

862
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:18,510
I'll let you know if I do at the

863
00:34:23,330 --> 00:34:21,000
scrutineers table Steve Roberts how is

864
00:34:24,859 --> 00:34:23,340
it going oh pretty good somebody got 13

865
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,869
but I mean that's what you expect at

866
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:27,119
random if you test enough people so

867
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:30,240
we've got a 12 1280 13 so so far you're

868
00:34:36,139 --> 00:34:33,510
just copying the marks out they're gonna

869
00:34:38,690 --> 00:34:36,149
all having to go on the cordless phone

870
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:38,700
was out again I feel fairly soon when

871
00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:40,050
they're when they finished on the court

872
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:41,460
and they were at peace you know will ya

873
00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:43,649
spec them all up and up some of that

874
00:34:48,740 --> 00:34:47,250
again carry on thank you rather scores

875
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:48,750
have been tallied at the end of the

876
00:34:55,879 --> 00:34:52,320
first round and I note that two out of

877
00:35:00,140 --> 00:34:55,889
16 got a score of 13 out of 20 the rest

878
00:35:04,820 --> 00:35:00,150
are ranging from there's a 7 8 9 10 11

879
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:04,830
12 and 13 and very evenly very evenly

880
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:06,900
distributed we're just going to make up

881
00:35:12,819 --> 00:35:10,320
a bell curve and get stuck into round

882
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:12,829
two if you have a texture color time

883
00:35:16,930 --> 00:35:15,170
well once the results would put up on

884
00:35:19,779 --> 00:35:16,940
the board for all to see the diviners

885
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:19,789
took a great interest in this and they

886
00:35:25,479 --> 00:35:22,130
could also see that nobody had got even

887
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:25,489
close to showing any divining ability

888
00:35:31,749 --> 00:35:28,729
I'm pleased to say most of them took it

889
00:35:36,819 --> 00:35:31,759
here very well and decided to have

890
00:35:39,009 --> 00:35:36,829
another go in the next round and now

891
00:35:41,949 --> 00:35:39,019
it's round two and once again we venture

892
00:35:45,819 --> 00:35:41,959
onto this country tennis court or

893
00:35:47,739 --> 00:35:45,829
netball court has been turned into and a

894
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:47,749
lot of diviners are back for a second go

895
00:35:53,019 --> 00:35:49,249
a lot of new diviners has showed up this

896
00:35:54,309 --> 00:35:53,029
afternoon and is about six or seven on

897
00:35:56,140 --> 00:35:54,319
the court at the moment with their

898
00:35:58,660 --> 00:35:56,150
scrutineers walking around concentrating

899
00:36:00,900 --> 00:35:58,670
this ladies using a fork stick a classic

900
00:36:03,969 --> 00:36:00,910
stick two women are one woman has a

901
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:03,979
like a bent coat hanger I think another

902
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:05,890
guy over there's got two metal rods

903
00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:08,089
what's this person over here is a little

904
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:11,180
boy here with two metal rods and another

905
00:36:14,799 --> 00:36:12,650
diviner with two metal rods so we're

906
00:36:18,339 --> 00:36:14,809
getting a bit of a getting a bit of a

907
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:18,349
mixture today there wasn't too much

908
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,910
complaining about the results of the

909
00:36:24,759 --> 00:36:21,920
first trial although somebody said that

910
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:24,769
if the sand has water in it then that

911
00:36:27,819 --> 00:36:26,089
would throw off his water divining

912
00:36:30,849 --> 00:36:27,829
ability to be honest we expecting to

913
00:36:36,699 --> 00:36:30,859
hear some interesting excuses during the

914
00:36:38,979 --> 00:36:36,709
course of the day I was delighted to see

915
00:36:41,859 --> 00:36:38,989
dr. crew see Wilson the roving reporter

916
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:41,869
for the skeptic zone turn up to look at

917
00:36:46,359 --> 00:36:44,209
the tests and she did a lot of the

918
00:36:48,249 --> 00:36:46,369
publicity a lot of the media work in

919
00:36:54,930 --> 00:36:48,259
promoting the my team into master water

920
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:54,940
divining test Chrissy Wilson hello hello

921
00:36:59,739 --> 00:36:57,920
wow it's so hot it is it's getting

922
00:37:01,150 --> 00:36:59,749
hotter and hotter come back you into the

923
00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:01,160
show you'd suspect er now you've been

924
00:37:04,809 --> 00:37:03,529
having a chat with some of the diviners

925
00:37:07,539 --> 00:37:04,819
what have they been telling you the

926
00:37:10,930 --> 00:37:07,549
whiners did you see the Freudian

927
00:37:13,269 --> 00:37:10,940
selective everyone's you said whiners I

928
00:37:15,459 --> 00:37:13,279
said the fine folks you can play it back

929
00:37:17,650 --> 00:37:15,469
and here it is over yeah um yeah we've

930
00:37:21,309 --> 00:37:17,660
had two guys now

931
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:21,319
and some of them have expressed to me

932
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:25,250
some reasons why they haven't done as

933
00:37:30,490 --> 00:37:26,890
well as I thought they would do

934
00:37:32,589 --> 00:37:30,500
apparently there's minerals and sand and

935
00:37:35,049 --> 00:37:32,599
the rods are picking up the minerals in

936
00:37:37,630 --> 00:37:35,059
the sound so we should have used flour

937
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:37,640
Wow yeah apparently that's that's where

938
00:37:42,789 --> 00:37:40,130
we've gone wrong and so we should have

939
00:37:45,339 --> 00:37:42,799
had flower I'm going to say I mean

940
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:45,349
they're all very sincere people they're

941
00:37:50,109 --> 00:37:47,450
not here to make a fast buck they're not

942
00:37:52,180 --> 00:37:50,119
they're not you know charlatans they are

943
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:52,190
genuine nice nice i can i get an

944
00:37:56,650 --> 00:37:53,930
impression absolutely and take it very

945
00:37:58,240 --> 00:37:56,660
very serious yes very seriously and we

946
00:37:59,470 --> 00:37:58,250
can we're seeing half the court at the

947
00:38:01,650 --> 00:37:59,480
moment as we speak from this to the

948
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:01,660
vantage point and look at him go looking

949
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,650
concentration he stepping on yeah that

950
00:38:07,210 --> 00:38:05,119
that chap in the far corner though

951
00:38:09,609 --> 00:38:07,220
that's that's and expecting a couple of

952
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:09,619
times so lovely blown actually very

953
00:38:14,410 --> 00:38:12,530
genuine and and your mum had a guy my

954
00:38:18,279 --> 00:38:14,420
mom had to go I'm terrified she's gonna

955
00:38:19,809 --> 00:38:18,289
get like 18 or 20 19 20 she was holding

956
00:38:21,370 --> 00:38:19,819
up proceedings though because she was

957
00:38:24,279 --> 00:38:21,380
Jen that this is embarrassing but she

958
00:38:27,370 --> 00:38:24,289
was genuinely genuinely waiting to get a

959
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:27,380
real identifying a huge was not a bikini

960
00:38:33,010 --> 00:38:30,170
stop working that um just guess it's not

961
00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:33,020
real but yeah it's gonna be a Larry as

962
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:35,240
it turns out that she's got she go to

963
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:36,529
school and that would be that would be

964
00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:38,000
right but it's a fantastically

965
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:40,190
successful event oh it's wonderful the

966
00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:42,710
only brilliant job being is it's just

967
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:44,750
hot it's really hot and it's a lot of

968
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:46,010
heat coming off the tennis court so I'm

969
00:38:49,930 --> 00:38:47,359
running around making sure skeptics are

970
00:38:52,210 --> 00:38:49,940
got though water and sunscreen on well

971
00:38:55,230 --> 00:38:52,220
maybe all this added moisture is going

972
00:38:58,740 --> 00:38:55,240
to be interfering with Logan's my DS

973
00:39:02,109 --> 00:38:58,750
we're doing running in rivers of sweat

974
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:02,119
maybe that's going to be a confounding

975
00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:04,250
variable in result here comes our old

976
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:11,870
take what you can hear now is me marking

977
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,370
some of the scorecards crosses or ticks

978
00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:16,560
either they got it right will they go

979
00:39:26,940 --> 00:39:20,150
wrong this process went on for some time

980
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:28,800
after looking at the scores from the

981
00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:30,880
second round I had a word to our

982
00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:36,070
statistician Ian Bryce we should move

983
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,230
into the stage guys it was shady and

984
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:40,480
Bryce and I just noticed that you are

985
00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:43,930
looking at the histogram and it's more

986
00:39:48,030 --> 00:39:45,849
or less going along the lines of the

987
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:48,040
classic belper wouldn't you say yes it

988
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:50,530
is the highest point is nine which is

989
00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:52,570
very close to 10 with in statistical

990
00:39:56,339 --> 00:39:54,790
variation yeah and the first round we

991
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,349
colored in in black and the second run

992
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,720
recovered Calladine in red and you can

993
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:00,400
see that the more points we get the more

994
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:02,170
it approximates to a bell curve it's

995
00:40:07,380 --> 00:40:03,730
looking that way the highest score so

996
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:07,390
far is 15 which is interesting but still

997
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:09,130
within what you would expect given the

998
00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:10,810
more and more contestants we have coming

999
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:13,630
through that's right yes it's not that

1000
00:40:17,099 --> 00:40:15,730
easy to explain to someone that although

1001
00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:17,109
they've got the highest score on the day

1002
00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:18,430
it's still below chance because they

1003
00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:19,990
want to go home saying they the champion

1004
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,740
Devon oh that's very difficult one to

1005
00:40:26,849 --> 00:40:25,359
answer probably how many people have we

1006
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:26,859
had food can you remember how many

1007
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:29,650
people have we had do we know 16 and 20

1008
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:32,410
roughly speaking so 36 today but they've

1009
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,410
been repeats oh well yes you half of the

1010
00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:36,880
second group I'd say we're repeating

1011
00:40:40,290 --> 00:40:39,190
other gopis and we're waiting now for a

1012
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,300
little break and then we'll have another

1013
00:40:43,859 --> 00:40:42,160
round yes looking forward I can see the

1014
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:43,869
Bach the the bottles were already laid

1015
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:47,010
out ready to go yes indeed

1016
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:50,040
I caught up with an interesting diviner

1017
00:41:00,180 --> 00:40:54,180
who earlier in the day had divined diet

1018
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:00,190
coke hmm I asked him about his procedure

1019
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:02,890
I'm with the water diviner here who

1020
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,050
Divine's diet coke is that true well

1021
00:41:10,570 --> 00:41:08,960
every object has a serial number and I'm

1022
00:41:12,670 --> 00:41:10,580
not too sure what you came up with what

1023
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:12,680
was it Lori and bad luck like was about

1024
00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:16,610
17 or ever do what's water quarter seven

1025
00:41:23,020 --> 00:41:19,190
survey the serial number of orders 7 as

1026
00:41:25,090 --> 00:41:23,030
well as copper so you can't really get

1027
00:41:27,370 --> 00:41:25,100
them confused because then at the end of

1028
00:41:29,530 --> 00:41:27,380
the rotations that pulls in a different

1029
00:41:31,090 --> 00:41:29,540
direction the courts water is a

1030
00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:31,100
different direction to copper they tell

1031
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:33,260
you distinguish them all right so I knew

1032
00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:35,450
how to go out here earlier today or only

1033
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:38,540
one or twice I've had two games how did

1034
00:41:43,090 --> 00:41:40,610
you go not all that successful I'm not

1035
00:41:46,930 --> 00:41:43,100
used to it convened you know

1036
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:46,940
space but in the open area for a divine

1037
00:41:52,210 --> 00:41:50,090
over large acres I do a lot of Merit

1038
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:52,220
binding between states even and then go

1039
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:55,010
to the side and do the survey on site

1040
00:42:01,930 --> 00:41:58,330
which would take an hour or more hmm

1041
00:42:04,030 --> 00:42:01,940
then that's when the the pendulum comes

1042
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:04,040
in handy because then you can then find

1043
00:42:09,460 --> 00:42:06,200
whether there is water underneath if it

1044
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:09,470
doesn't supreme seven times and Paul

1045
00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:11,330
northwest where all is no water under

1046
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:14,030
there learn something new every day well

1047
00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:15,230
I wish you the best of luck in this

1048
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,670
round thank you very much anyway lovely

1049
00:42:24,610 --> 00:42:21,680
young lady diviner here and I saw you

1050
00:42:26,770 --> 00:42:24,620
out there earlier trying your luck how

1051
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:26,780
do you think you went um I think I did

1052
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:29,090
pretty good I was just getting a vibe so

1053
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:31,960
I wrote down with what I felt

1054
00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:35,290
ya feelin pretty confident yeah I guess

1055
00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:38,950
so it's my first time doing it so be

1056
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:40,150
very interested to see you and your

1057
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:41,440
friends are having a sneaker of they

1058
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:43,839
have you tried it yeah I have yeah and

1059
00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:46,480
how do you think you went okay yeah hey

1060
00:42:50,310 --> 00:42:48,430
it's very exciting i can't wait to see

1061
00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:50,320
what the results are you gonna try it oh

1062
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,040
no i just watched them really so i think

1063
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:57,040
they did pretty good so yeah alright

1064
00:43:02,910 --> 00:42:58,690
well we'll all know the score is pretty

1065
00:43:04,829 --> 00:43:02,920
soon so good luck to your ok after the

1066
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:04,839
next round I went out on the court and

1067
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:07,210
caught up with get more diviners as they

1068
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:12,250
were checking their own scores well

1069
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folks you had a big check of your scores

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00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:17,710
how did you go this time worse oh how

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00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:21,730
did you go to you just checking now 99

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ok it yourself 1212 ok we're all around

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the the middle mark at the moment but

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00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:29,710
it's a pretty it's a mighty hot day for

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my team inner master but I must say but

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00:43:36,690 --> 00:43:34,810
I hope you had a fun today they're just

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00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:36,700
debating now whether to hold one final

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00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:40,210
one but they will see we'll see but as

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00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:41,950
yet and I don't know because I don't

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00:43:46,349 --> 00:43:43,450
know all the final scores we haven't

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00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:46,359
found somebody yet who can um get that

1082
00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:48,630
magic number of 18 to pass the test but

1083
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:50,950
looking to get a chair park across there

1084
00:43:55,650 --> 00:43:53,410
mhm ok picking up a water pipe under

1085
00:43:57,660 --> 00:43:55,660
there and that's throws yet but if you

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00:44:00,990 --> 00:43:57,670
know it's there can you sort of the oven

1087
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:01,000
state border ok well i think that laurie

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00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:03,240
smith the one of the organizers has a

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00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:05,680
radar ground radar image of this whole

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tennis court yeah and i don't think

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there's a pipe but you'll have to check

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00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:17,800
after the third and final round of

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00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,240
testing was complete and the scores

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00:44:25,060 --> 00:44:22,880
indicated that nobody and in fact

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00:44:28,780 --> 00:44:25,070
reached the magical level of 18 out of

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00:44:33,220 --> 00:44:28,790
20 I found another diviner nast him why

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00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,230
he thought the scores were so bad I may

1098
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:34,880
have a quick word with if I may so the

1099
00:44:39,730 --> 00:44:38,240
divining tests all over how how would

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00:44:42,030 --> 00:44:39,740
you explain the fact that there were

1101
00:44:45,130 --> 00:44:42,040
lots and lots and lots of diviners here

1102
00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:45,140
how could all these diviners fail on the

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00:44:51,490 --> 00:44:46,760
day do you have any idea any thoughts on

1104
00:44:56,290 --> 00:44:51,500
that a couple of things yeah the same

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00:45:00,310 --> 00:44:56,300
seem to be picking up as if it was deep

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00:45:02,050 --> 00:45:00,320
so it was picking up it was putting

1107
00:45:05,550 --> 00:45:02,060
people off a bit because the scene was

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00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:05,560
dead for some reason or don't know why

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00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:10,010
there and that was one thing that most

1110
00:45:15,790 --> 00:45:12,590
devon has said that the the damp sand in

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00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:15,800
the bottle seem to be picking up that it

1112
00:45:23,650 --> 00:45:21,110
shouldn't be picking up video there what

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00:45:25,930 --> 00:45:23,660
I meant and another reason why it's very

1114
00:45:29,050 --> 00:45:25,940
hard to divine water that steel because

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00:45:30,340 --> 00:45:29,060
water a divining is a water where the

1116
00:45:33,250 --> 00:45:30,350
electricity's in your body and

1117
00:45:35,950 --> 00:45:33,260
electricity is running and you're

1118
00:45:39,310 --> 00:45:35,960
picking it up the water is running and

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00:45:41,740 --> 00:45:39,320
the and and your rod and your lectricity

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00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,750
in your body works that was so if there

1121
00:45:44,890 --> 00:45:43,520
was a test with running water instead of

1122
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:44,900
still water you'd think it'd have a

1123
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:49,010
better shot at it I think so here but

1124
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:50,510
there's nothing wrong with this this was

1125
00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:52,310
a real good test and you could have

1126
00:45:59,230 --> 00:45:55,190
again oh yeah there's no problem thanks

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00:46:00,370 --> 00:45:59,240
very much yeah thank you me and Bryce I

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00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:00,380
don't know about you but I'm ready to

1129
00:46:04,030 --> 00:46:02,330
jump into a cold swimming pool or a

1130
00:46:05,380 --> 00:46:04,040
river but we're looking at the final

1131
00:46:08,170 --> 00:46:05,390
results let's have a look at this

1132
00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:08,180
histogram and what can you tell me okay

1133
00:46:11,950 --> 00:46:10,070
great we have a histogram here which

1134
00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:11,960
shows the number of times each

1135
00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:13,910
particular result came up for example

1136
00:46:20,650 --> 00:46:15,950
the most common result was nine out of

1137
00:46:24,250 --> 00:46:20,660
20 yeah and that occurred about 18 x 19

1138
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:24,260
times and the next was 8 out of 20 and

1139
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,480
10 out of 20 so with a perfectly average

1140
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:29,280
so this statistical better we would

1141
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,020
expect 10 out of 20 so it's very close

1142
00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:33,359
to that it's very close to that and so

1143
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:35,220
most people got slightly under what

1144
00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:37,890
chance would predict but we have that

1145
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:39,540
high school and that I was 16 this year

1146
00:46:44,570 --> 00:46:42,420
16 out of 20 yet which is quite possible

1147
00:46:46,580 --> 00:46:44,580
according to chance where you've got 50

1148
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,590
odd competitors indeed you would expect

1149
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:48,480
some around six and then of course the

1150
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:50,490
lowest was sick so it's sort of it's

1151
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:52,530
more or less what we'd expect to say yes

1152
00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:55,290
so the null hypothesis is not disproven

1153
00:46:59,690 --> 00:46:57,000
unfortunately science often talks in

1154
00:47:01,760 --> 00:46:59,700
double negatives but the null hypothesis

1155
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:01,770
survives in other words the assumption

1156
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:04,260
that only statistics is operating and no

1157
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:06,810
actual mysterious force on the divining

1158
00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:10,140
rod that test survives today survives

1159
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:12,420
today survives to be tested another day

1160
00:47:17,810 --> 00:47:16,260
Thank You Ian thank you Richard and then

1161
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:17,820
it was all over in fact they were hardly

1162
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:20,490
any water diviners left to look at the

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00:47:24,770 --> 00:47:23,010
results at the end of the day I think

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00:47:26,540 --> 00:47:24,780
they knew what they were going to be I

1165
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:26,550
want to thank all the people who took

1166
00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:29,130
part all the volunteers from New South

1167
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:31,470
Wales and Victoria a big thank you to

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00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:33,690
Laurie and Eden Smith for their

1169
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:35,910
wonderful hospitality big thank you to

1170
00:47:40,510 --> 00:47:38,609
dr. Chrissy Wilson for the wonderful

1171
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:40,520
work she did in promoting the event

1172
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:43,530
Steve Roberts skeptical steve roberts

1173
00:47:48,380 --> 00:47:46,170
who did the protocol and was on hand

1174
00:47:50,570 --> 00:47:48,390
during the course of the day to make

1175
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:50,580
sure everything ran smoothly Martin

1176
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:52,680
Hadley for his work at the official

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00:47:57,980 --> 00:47:55,410
check-in desk and so many other skeptics

1178
00:48:01,070 --> 00:47:57,990
who helped out during the course of the

1179
00:48:03,050 --> 00:48:01,080
day later that day we relaxed once again

1180
00:48:06,589 --> 00:48:03,060
the wonderful barbecue at the home of

1181
00:48:11,989 --> 00:48:08,870
and well it's all over we're here back

1182
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,999
at the house of yes Russell and Robin

1183
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:13,680
Kelly the skeptics are gathered around

1184
00:48:17,569 --> 00:48:16,049
we've had our steaks and sausages and

1185
00:48:19,489 --> 00:48:17,579
fried potatoes and all sorts of things

1186
00:48:20,569 --> 00:48:19,499
and we're cooking chicken wings and

1187
00:48:22,269 --> 00:48:20,579
they're cooking chicken wings but at

1188
00:48:24,829 --> 00:48:22,279
last we can celebrate a successful

1189
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:24,839
divining day lori cheers Thank You

1190
00:48:37,969 --> 00:48:29,609
Reggie they don't click them hit other

1191
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:37,979
plastic oh thank you thank you more

1192
00:48:44,450 --> 00:48:40,650
detailed results of the test will be

1193
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:44,460
published at ww skeptics com a you in

1194
00:48:49,219 --> 00:48:46,440
the near future when we sort out all the

1195
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:49,229
statistics we look forward to the next

1196
00:48:59,269 --> 00:48:51,630
series of water divining tests wherever

1197
00:49:02,120 --> 00:48:59,279
and whenever they are the gang turned up

1198
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:02,130
on with wire and wood to locate the

1199
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,729
water wherever they could by reading

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00:49:09,620 --> 00:49:06,960
vibrations that come from the ground

1201
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:09,630
which show where the water was sure to

1202
00:49:14,430 --> 00:49:11,770
be found

1203
00:49:16,860 --> 00:49:14,440
they came to win money at the dowsers

1204
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:16,870
convention with prayers of hope for

1205
00:49:23,550 --> 00:49:19,090
divine intervention to help them to

1206
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:23,560
sense the old h2o then one by one they

1207
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,040
all had a go chance predicted the

1208
00:49:31,950 --> 00:49:29,440
success they would face as they searched

1209
00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:31,960
for the water all over the place at the

1210
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:34,270
muster in the hills up MIT amid away

1211
00:49:40,830 --> 00:49:37,330
with a lute on the line they were ready

1212
00:49:43,170 --> 00:49:40,840
to play walking in a circle or in a

1213
00:49:46,020 --> 00:49:43,180
crisscross line with a weight of belief

1214
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:46,030
in the autumn sunshine making sweat on

1215
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:48,850
their brows as they tried to tell which

1216
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:52,500
was just sand and where was the well

1217
00:49:57,780 --> 00:49:55,690
then the Sun went down on the master at

1218
00:50:00,810 --> 00:49:57,790
bitter and the sweet taste of victory

1219
00:50:03,230 --> 00:50:00,820
had turned a bit better for the dowsers

1220
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:03,240
and diviners had failed to find water

1221
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:05,770
maybe their rods should have been longer

1222
00:50:13,170 --> 00:50:09,970
or shorter the contestants blamed static

1223
00:50:16,170 --> 00:50:13,180
and streams and fences that disturb the

1224
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,180
waves and twiddle their senses but the

1225
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:18,160
skeptics went home with their booty

1226
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:21,310
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hearing earthquakes in space was there

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life on Mars and can aspirin protect

1246
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against cancer this week it was revealed

1247
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that a satellite orbiting 255 kilometers

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above the earth heard the 2011 to Hoku

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earthquake instruments for detecting

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infrasound on the ghost satellite are so

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sensitive they could detect the faint

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signal as it passed over Japan the

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satellite even detected the earthquakes

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vibrations again as it passed over

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Europe 25 minutes later while

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00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,340
earthquakes have long been known to emit

1257
00:52:00,160 --> 00:51:57,920
infrasound Rumble it was thought that no

1258
00:52:05,230 --> 00:52:00,170
spacecraft in orbit had the capacity to

1259
00:52:07,150 --> 00:52:05,240
record them until now Russian scientists

1260
00:52:10,330 --> 00:52:07,160
claimed to have found a new kind of

1261
00:52:13,330 --> 00:52:10,340
bacterial life in a lake buried under

1262
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the antarctic ice seven samples of the

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00:52:18,370 --> 00:52:15,350
new mystery species were recovered from

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00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:18,380
Lake Vostok the largest sub glacial lake

1265
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in antarctica the team drilled through

1266
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,540
more than 3.5 kilometers of ice and

1267
00:52:28,660 --> 00:52:26,000
broke through to the lake last year

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00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:28,670
however other scientists including some

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involved in the analysis of the samples

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00:52:36,070 --> 00:52:33,290
themselves have cast doubt on the

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veracity of the find they suggest that

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the results are due to contamination

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during drilling and analysis and not a

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new unknown species studies to resolve

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this conflict are continuing for science

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headlines in 30 seconds Neanderthal

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brains were organized for better vision

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and body control at the cost of

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cognition the first birds used for wings

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for flight with modern Birds retaining

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the front two aspirin may reduce the

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incidence of melanoma and the longer

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it's used the lower the risk and an

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analysis of Martian rocks by the

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Curiosity Lander reveals that Mars may

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once have been capable of supporting

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life finally this week proof that loud

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people on mobile phones are doubly

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annoying researchers reported that a

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one-sided mobile phone calm

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versation in the background is more

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distracting than overhearing a

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conversation between two people they

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concluded that not knowing where a

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one-sided conversation is heading is

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more likely to get your attention than

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eavesdropping on a complete conversation

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yeah i'll bring the butter a watermelon

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and a wind-up soldier oh yeah yeah get

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two of those on Tuesday March 26th arias

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behind the headlines this time we'll be

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looking at the hot topic of drugs in

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sport what are they taking how are they

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taking it and why our expert panel will

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explore these and other questions

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on iTunes or you know don't and now a

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note from our friends in Victoria

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there's a big event coming up in the

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next skeptics cafe for Victorian

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skeptics on Monday the 18th of March

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Nobel Prize winner professor peter

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doherty is speaking the talk is entitled

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skepticism denial and ignorance is there

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a difference professor Dougherty is one

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of a handful of Australian scientists to

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have been awarded the nobel prize for

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medicine these Nobel prize-winning

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research contributed to our

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understanding of the immune system and

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in particular how our cells recognize

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viral infections professor Doty was also

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named Australian of the Year in 1997 for

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more information about this talk on the

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18th of March visit w WV skeptics

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do they I'm a computer simulated human

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poor odd Richard Saunders has lost his

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voice Oh dear me so I'm here to tell you

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about the 48th international festival of

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science documentaries to be held in

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olomouc in a Czech Republic in April

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visitors to the festival will enjoy

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films on mathematics global warming

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computer games and much more including

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pseudoscience with Richard Saunders

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presenting a lecture on water divining

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but that's not all rich and will also be

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giving origami lessons and presenting

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films by Richard Dawkins and Brian

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darling wow I wonder if they will let a

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simulated human voice attend to find out

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more in book your ticket to this

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world-class scientific film festival

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visit WWF ocz discover the Wonder

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history and VT of the Czech Republic

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enjoy some fascinating documentaries and

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spend time with like-minded people oh

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and if you see Saunders tell him he can

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our staff and I know it's late but we

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made it through that the last almost an

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hour and we listened to the skeptic zone

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Richard I don't know what's going on but

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here but we listened to the entire show

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but it's still only five to one I don't

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know how that happened how does that

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happen time distortion time distortion

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internet it's full of an perception

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ception time perception time distortion

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and perception omorrow it's all the

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chemicals in apps the chemicals in our

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brains listeners it's been a very long

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night for Stefan and Richard we were

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both performing tonight you're you were

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doing piano and an entertainment work

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and I always guest speaking so I think

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you can forgive us the slight indulgence

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and relaxation we're having right now

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we're relaxing at a yes an idea i

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haven't played piano for about 10 years

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you did quite well i'm ever a lot of

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people were taking photographs of you i

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noticed well these are people with with

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with not much happening in their lives

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no it was a fun it was a fun ideas about

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how many people 400 people Oh easily at

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nowra entertainment center is a

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wonderful venue if now is is what you

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would class as a country town but their

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entertainment center is bigger than what

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you'd expect in a major capital city it

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was all good it was all good and I had a

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wonderful time so that's almost one

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o'clock this morning how do we fit a one

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hour show between ten to one and five to

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one that's all I want to know listeners

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might have an idea on this and they can

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send us a postcard or it could be

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answered in the solar flare ah solar

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flare time distortion time distortion

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it's all happening and I hope it'll be

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happening soon but for now Stefan thank

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you for a great night Cheers it was good

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and check your Twitter account and

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Facebook account and in the skeptic zone

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01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:03,880
account and see how it all went down

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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zone visit our website at www skeptics